“I took my
husband's name. It was a really hard thing to do!”
Well, why’dja do it, then?
[same poster
as above]:
“…Then he
died, and I have his name. It's been almost 10 years, now. I feel like if I
ever remarry, I'll be obligated to take on a new name again. Because I can't be
married to one person while keeping my dead husband's name, can I?”
Huh? Sure you can, but I’m surprised you don’t see one other
option waving its arms wildly up there: Revert to your birth name. Then you’re
not dissing anyone, dead or alive.
“Before we got married, I suggested that we blend our names to represent our new household. His response: ‘I would spend the rest
of my life actively taking sh_t from every man I know and meet about this. Yes,
the married name is a double standard, and yes, it disadvantages the woman. But
patriarchy doesn't just limit women's choices."
Aw, poor patriarchs. Their choices are limited too, boo-hoo.
Yes: limited to having power over women. I feel just terrible about it. Bet sh-t-taking husband does too.
“We couldn't
hyphenate; both of our names were 10 letters long!”
Imagine! That’s why we have this device called “initials”.
For instance, we got used to writing our daughter’s surname as “E-S” / א-ס. Rarely does The Whole Thing need to be
spelled out.
“I have an
11-letter first name and I've had issues entering it on forms my entire life.
I'd HATE to have to try and squeeze in a long, hyphenated last name.”
[BarelyLethal replies]:
“I keep
seeing ‘Oh! It's terrible on forms! Woe is me!’ Don't you think that as more
of us have multiple or hyphenated names, the forms would change to
accommodate us? I haven't seen a credit card application in the last five
years that doesn't have at least 25 spaces for Last Name… if more of us adopted hyphenated and / or multiple last
names, the forms would have to catch up. So ‘I'm not going to name my kid thusly
because forms’ doesn't hold water if it's really something you want to do.”
Elegantly said, BarelyLethal. Just like so many things in life
that cause us to extend our comfort zones: There will always be plenty of
excuses not to; if you really want to do something, those excuses won’t stop you.
“For the
record, I'm taking my husband's last name in the future because my dad is a jackass.
Nothing to do with his name whatsoever. Sorry, future husband!
”
First off, why’re you apologizing to a man you’ve never met?
Second, supposing you remain unmarried? Why not unload your dad’s jackassery
now? No time like the present…
Have a listen to what Homosaur said about the possibility of
taking his wife’s surname:
“The day I take her father's name is the day
I cut my d_ck off with a scissors.”
Uh. There is so much macho patriarchy dripping from that
remark, not to mention plain old generic anger, I’d be afraid to occupy the
same ZIP code as this guy. And to think someone is married to him. Goddess keep
her.
Perdue wrote: “If you're so hell-bent on One Family,
One Name (which I personally don't care about, having seen approximately
eleventy billion kids with different last names than at least one parent in my
time on this earth, and exactly zero mishaps as a result)…”
Aspirellls: “I was listening to a fascinating story
the other day about engaged couples who both have hyphenated last names and
have no clue what to do. I don't know where to even begin navigating that
one.”
That story indeed sounds fascinating, Aspirellls. Gee,
this is rocket science: How about each retains one name and drops one name,
then combine? Or combine all four? Whatever these mysterious engaged couples
decide, the earth will keep spinning on its axis, I’m quite certain.
“My best friend growing up was hyphenated and she
HATED it.
”
Oh. Well, then. End Of Discussion. Because we all know that
one anecdote equals data. Well, I venture another anecdote: Two of my
hypho-kids dropped the post-hyphen name; the third as of this writing is remaining
hyphenated. Stay tuned.
“The fact I
have a different last name from the other 3/4 of my family has caused a problem
exactly .... never. And I certainly don't think it makes me less married or
less committed in any possible way.”
Yowza. Amen, Sister. Preach it.
Yoana’s answer to the claim ‘A woman who won’t take
her husband’s surname puts herself ahead of
her marriage.’
Translation: She's reluctant to be my personal life assistant.
LaurelTreeDaphne: “Is it OK
for us to participate in something that contributes to our own
disenfranchisement in the interest of holding onto tradition? I wish there was
more acknowledgement that
taking your husband's last name is inherently
problematic, no matter what your reasons for doing so. When you do, you're
contributing to that culture that makes 96% of men believe it's emasculating to
take a woman's name, a fact that tends to get lost in the ‘choose your choice’
chirp that usually surrounds this topic.
“See, that overwhelming number (96%?!?!?!)
is why I am not OK with women taking their husband's last name. Every time this
topic comes up, women come out of the woodwork with their personal stories
about why it was really important to them to take their husband's last name. OK,
‘your name, your choice and all that’. But on a societal level...oof. That percentage is staggering, and it
is not going to change unless we as women start pushing the issue. And it's
important to start pushing the issue, because the automatic ‘We want to be one
family, one name’ thing is rooted in some really problematic history of women
and children being the property of men.
“96% of men believe that taking on a piece of their partner's
identity diminishes their manhood in some way. And it's completely reinforced
by society: Not only do most people just assume that women will take their
husbands’ last names, but the bureaucracy is set up to make it really, really
difficult for a man to change
his name. You say that it's fine for
feminists to want to hold onto traditions, but is it really, when the tradition
is so problematic and so reflective of the lesser value men place on us?
”
Sigh. I think I love you, LaurelTreeDaphne.
“Changed my name when I
married the first time. After 10 years when I divorced, it still felt borrowed,
so I went back to my maiden. Changing when I married was no sweat; going back
to my maiden was a pain in the butt! Everyone wanted double proof that you got
divorced and that it was stated in court that you went back to your own name.
When I married and wanted to change it, everyone was 'okey-dokey!' Decided I
would never change it again, I don't care if I marry a Rockefeller.”
Woo-hoo!
And picture me bowing down to these next three:
“I'm glad I did it [reverted
to my birth name post-divorce], but it infuriated me how much of a pain they
made it, like it was further punishment for me for daring to break away from
conformity.”
“Plenty of men have names
that are ugly, silly, or difficult to spell or pronounce, but funnily enough,
this doesn't usually result in their taking their wives' names. I'm not saying
that makes other reasoning invalid, but I am saying you can't divorce it from
the larger patriarchal construct. If it was really just about getting rid of a ‘bad’
name, men would change their names as often as women do.
”
“I have had people tell me
they ‘wouldn't feel as connected to their kids’ if they didn't share the same
last name. I always thought that was a weird response. It's not like when I
pick my kid up from daycare she looks at me quizzically and asks for
ID.”
The problem with this "doing what makes
the most sense for you" is that often that segues into taking the
path of least resistance, which in many cases is simply Taking His Name. This
irks me. Keep. Your. Name. If you dislike it, by all means change it, but NOT
because there's a man involved.
FeministFury
knocks it outta the park:
“The argument, ‘well, you're just going from your father's name to
your husband's name’ is stupid (sorry, it is). If more women stopped passing on
their husbands' names to their children, the names wouldn't just be fathers'
but mothers' as well, which would resolve the problem, so that response is
ultimately self-defeating. It also obscures other naming possibilities, thereby
closing off creativity. For instance, women could change their names to their
mothers' names upon marriage. They could invent new names. They could resurrect
a long-forgotten matrilineal name from their ancestry. The options aren't
reduced to two, and I bet we kind of don't want to resolve this problem
creatively because it's a lot easier to feel defeatist, i.e., ‘well, we're
damned if we do, damned if we don't, aren't we? Our hands are tied either way.’
Right. So isn't it easiest just to capitulate (nope, we're not, and nope, that
isn't the best response)?”
And the Final Three:
“Pretty much if your life partner who's supposed
to be your equal ‘makes’ you do something, or decides to ‘let’ you do
something, or issues an ultimatum - you are looking at a giant red flag.”
“What year is this? If there's one tradition that should've died out 50 years ago, it's that one.”
“I'm keeping my name. If you're curious as to why,
please go ask my fiancé if he is keeping his name, and why. There you go.”